PHIL 1000H Lecture Notes - Lecture 8: Thrasymachus, Thought Experiment

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The dialogue is set around 420bc in athens. Definition 1; random citizen comes up with it: justice is straight forward; telling the truth and paying your debts [return anything you have borrowed] Definition 2; socrates friends come up with it: justice is giving people their due [what owed], you do not owe everybody the same thing; you owe your friend one thing [help], and your enemies something else [harm] Socrates rejects this; it is always wrong to do harm [crito]. By harming your enemy, you are making them a worse person. If this definition is correct, a just person will be making others unjust, simply by being just; which socrates thinks is absurd and his friends agree. Thrasymachus; justice is an illusion, it is about power and who will dominate. We aren"t very clever. : analogy suppose that we are short sighted men and are said to read some small letters in the distance.

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